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  Can anyone help with info to refute only 144,000 going to heaven?

  by The Leological One in

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  i've recently shown my wife this forum (she's a df'd jw who does still hold fast to jw views).

  she's been really depressed and feels down on herself constantly because she wasn't a better witness and seems to feel she has no hope of a personal relationship with god now that she's df'd.

  i was a little upset a moment ago trying to get her out of her depression by pushing my point of view that the wt is full of $hit regarding a great many number of things, the least of which that only 144,000 people are going to heaven/effectively can be saved.

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  Thanks again TheOneBuck! I'm not sure she's ready to start studying with me things that would refute her long-held beliefs, but she's already been aware that I've been researching some things for well over a year now, myself. I did get her to look at the forum for the first time a couple days ago, and she read the entire thread started by SwordOfJah!

  by telling her the views that were depressing her were wrong to begin with

  Who likes being told they are wrong.. Make yourself visable when you do research, so she might sit it. Actually do some research together and see what you think about the 144,000. Do not rely on others to tell if it is right or wrong decide for yourself. I think if you both go into it with an open mind you will be amazed at the outcome... not only hers but yours.
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  Can anyone help with info to refute only 144,000 going to heaven?

  by The Leological One in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've recently shown my wife this forum (she's a df'd jw who does still hold fast to jw views).

  she's been really depressed and feels down on herself constantly because she wasn't a better witness and seems to feel she has no hope of a personal relationship with god now that she's df'd.

  i was a little upset a moment ago trying to get her out of her depression by pushing my point of view that the wt is full of $hit regarding a great many number of things, the least of which that only 144,000 people are going to heaven/effectively can be saved.

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  Wow, willy_think~!

  Thanks for the reply~! I'm still reading it but can hardly believe I've never thought about the previous 24 elders being there along with the witnesses! I'll keep reading. Thanks again~!

  Beyond this, we see in Revelation 14 that the 144,000 stand before the 24 elders from Revelation 4:4. This at least brings the grand total to 144,024 people. But, the Scriptures indicate that there are still more to come.
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  Can anyone help with info to refute only 144,000 going to heaven?

  by The Leological One in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've recently shown my wife this forum (she's a df'd jw who does still hold fast to jw views).

  she's been really depressed and feels down on herself constantly because she wasn't a better witness and seems to feel she has no hope of a personal relationship with god now that she's df'd.

  i was a little upset a moment ago trying to get her out of her depression by pushing my point of view that the wt is full of $hit regarding a great many number of things, the least of which that only 144,000 people are going to heaven/effectively can be saved.

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  The Leological One

  TheOneBuck,

  Thanks for the thoughtful post, and I think that's good advice~!
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  Can anyone help with info to refute only 144,000 going to heaven?

  by The Leological One in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've recently shown my wife this forum (she's a df'd jw who does still hold fast to jw views).

  she's been really depressed and feels down on herself constantly because she wasn't a better witness and seems to feel she has no hope of a personal relationship with god now that she's df'd.

  i was a little upset a moment ago trying to get her out of her depression by pushing my point of view that the wt is full of $hit regarding a great many number of things, the least of which that only 144,000 people are going to heaven/effectively can be saved.

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  The Leological One

  Hi Adelmaal,

  I've heard a lot about the book but haven't read it yet but have read a few other books such as Reasoning from the Scriptures with Jehovah's Witnesses (or something like that~). I thought she was starting to get more open to seeing something was wrong with her religion but then got it pushed back in my face today when I tried to comfort her by telling her the views that were depressing her were wrong to begin with and that she would have no reason to look down on herself if those views were wrong to begin with.

  But it always comes back to whether she believes the WT is the actual mouthpiece of God, and I know at this point I can't get her to read a book but might be able to get her to look at a post or 2 or something on the net.

  Thanks for the info above, and I'll likely have that book soon, too~!
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  Can anyone help with info to refute only 144,000 going to heaven?

  by The Leological One in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've recently shown my wife this forum (she's a df'd jw who does still hold fast to jw views).

  she's been really depressed and feels down on herself constantly because she wasn't a better witness and seems to feel she has no hope of a personal relationship with god now that she's df'd.

  i was a little upset a moment ago trying to get her out of her depression by pushing my point of view that the wt is full of $hit regarding a great many number of things, the least of which that only 144,000 people are going to heaven/effectively can be saved.

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  The Leological One

  Hi,

  I've recently shown my wife this forum (she's a DF'd JW who does still hold fast to JW views). She's been really depressed and feels down on herself constantly because she wasn't a better witness and seems to feel she has no hope of a personal relationship with God now that she's DF'd.
  
  I was a little upset a moment ago trying to get her out of her depression by pushing my point of view that the WT is full of $hit regarding a great many number of things, the least of which that only 144,000 people are going to heaven/effectively can be saved. I understand where this scripture has been greatly taken out of context already, but can anyone else help with info that helps refute this view?

  Thanks for any help. I just want my wife to be happy and feel she's not lost out on God just because this controlling group of people says she has~!
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  The Loaded Question

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a new fad presentation going around, a simple but loaded question.

  "what would it take for you to be interested in the bible?

  of course you can't say no, and if you say, "nothing" the followup question is "why?

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  The Leological One

  From Neo's link:

  "What would the WTS have to do to convince you that it wasn't God's organisation?"

  Sweet~!
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  The Loaded Question

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a new fad presentation going around, a simple but loaded question.

  "what would it take for you to be interested in the bible?

  of course you can't say no, and if you say, "nothing" the followup question is "why?

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  The Leological One

  Suggested response:

  "I'm already interested in the Bible. Would you mind if I shared a scripture with you? [Take Bible from them, read Luke 21:8] Does that verse remind you of anyone?"
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  The Loaded Question

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a new fad presentation going around, a simple but loaded question.

  "what would it take for you to be interested in the bible?

  of course you can't say no, and if you say, "nothing" the followup question is "why?

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  "What would it take for you to be interested in the Bible?"

  I would say, "I already am interested in the Bible itself; but nothing could interest me in becoming a member of the WT."

  If asked, "Why," well... you know the routine...
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  Jehovah's Witness Oddities

  by minimus in

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  i now enjoy telling people about the things jehovah's witnesses can and cannot do.

  for instance, witnesses can work in a store that sells lottery tickets and tobacco but they can't own the store themselves.....whole blood is forbidden to be transfused yet blood fractions are acceptable.

  donating blood in any form is wrong but accepting blood fractions is a conscience matter.........can you think of other jw oddities????

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  My point is , that they say, you cannot make mistakes, only they can.

  Good point~!
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  Name ways in which the Watchtower could make JW life more "appealing"?

  by JH in

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  jw meetings are so dull, and so alike, that one can only become bored in no time.

  what changes would you have made in the meetings or after the meetings to make jw life more appealing and still christian?

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  The Leological One

  We should print this thread and send it to every KH.